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Percy Dalton 5:55 Mon Oct 26
Allardyce speaks sense at last.

The walrus wants the red card law to change if it results in a penalty must say for the first time I agree with the oaf.

Haywards Iron 6:05 Tue Oct 27
Re: Allardyce speaks sense at last.

Collocini's appeal against his one match ban has been successful, make of that what you will.

Russ of the BML 5:49 Tue Oct 27
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For me it's context.

Say a team is 2-0 up with 5 minutes to go but they are under extreme pressure and struggling to hold the other team out. Forward goes through on goal and defender who is last man thinks fuck it I'll bring him down. Defender gets yellow as its a penalty.

Say the penalty is scored 2-1 and the team winning still have eleven men to defend the remaining minutes.

It's unfair. If you are last man and you stop a scoring opportunity by foul play you get a red. Simple. The fact that it could be a penalty or not is irrelevant.

fraser 7:27 Tue Oct 27
Re: Allardyce speaks sense at last.

Fucking auto correct

fraser 7:26 Tue Oct 27
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Agree with that, often a genuine attempt to get the ball can fail due to over player getting there marginally before.

Or even tricking with some outrageous skill, so a yellow would suffice, as how can I've deliberate if genuily trying when there's a realistic chance of succeeding.

But when there no chance and it's blatant other as Matic did red it is.

ornchurch ammer 1:01 Tue Oct 27
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This automatic red card business annoys me.

Matic on Saturday committed the most professional of professional fouls by cynically pulling down Kouyate, when he was going clear of their midfield and bearing down on Terry, and only got a Yellow. Compare this with a defender making a genuine challenge in the box, slightly mistiming it and getting a Red because he is the last man. It's bollocks.

Hermit Road 9:26 Mon Oct 26
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I agree about the keeper. If it cleans the man out he should go, if he misses the ball by a millimetre in a genuine attempt to get the ball, the a penalty seems fair enough.

collyrob 9:10 Mon Oct 26
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If a striker is running through one on one and someone takes them out from behind, then it should be a straight red, but a keeper coming to get the ball and the forward nicks it first tumbles over the keeper and gets a penalty, that should never ever be a red card.

tnb 9:03 Mon Oct 26
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The Coloccini decision was just plain wrong. That is the only issue there. The rules don't need changing in those instances, the ref just needs to do his job properly.

Where I do slightly agree would be in the case of keepers. Of course, blatant violence or professional fouls are different, but if a keeper just clips a player while genuinely going for the ball it does seem like a double punishment when he is inevitably sent off for being the 'last man', because by definition he is going to be the last man most of the time isn't he.

Hermit Road 8:48 Mon Oct 26
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If you replace a goal scoring chance with a goal scoring chance, that's not really penalising the team that has fouled the player.

On the other hand, I do think intent is important, but as gph said, that isn't currently relevant.

Far Cough 8:18 Mon Oct 26
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Geep, I constantly hear pundits saying, yeah there was contact but no intent, first of all how does anyone know apart from the player himself, what the intention was and secondly, a foul is a foul, whether intentional or not?

Spandex Sidney 8:18 Mon Oct 26
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There is an Allardyce thread for those that wish to partake

www.sunderlandonline.net.

mallard 8:16 Mon Oct 26
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Darby_ 7:26 Mon Oct 26
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Mods, can we have an 'Allardyce discussion' forum?

gph 8:15 Mon Oct 26
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Didn't they deliberately take "intent" out of the rules (except for handball) years ago, as it was supposed to be too difficult for refs to determine, so every foul is (or should be) treated as if it was intentional?

I'm sure I remember this happening, and saying that it was stupid, too.

The Joker 8:14 Mon Oct 26
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I think it should be a red card outside the box. Inside the box a penalty is still a goal scoring chance.

Yeah, you'll get the odd instance when the penalty is saved, such as the Suarez one someone mentioned, but players also miss absolute sitters they should score eg Ronnie Rosenthal. So even a goal scoring chance isn't a guaranteed goal, just like a penalty.

Hermit Road 8:07 Mon Oct 26
Re: Allardyce speaks sense at last.

I don't know the proportion, but either way, if someone intentionally commits a foul to stop someone scoring, they should go in my book. It's their responsibility not to do it. The other thing is, if the penalty is a better opportunity, why would they foul them?

Marston Hammer 7:34 Mon Oct 26
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I'd say the vast majority of one on ones are tougher than a penalty.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up though.

Hermit Road 7:29 Mon Oct 26
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Not all the time. There's plenty of occasions when a penalty is more difficult than the chance.

Marston Hammer 7:28 Mon Oct 26
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The penalty is usually a much better chance than the one on one is. It certainly was in this case.

Hermit Road 7:27 Mon Oct 26
Re: Allardyce speaks sense at last.

Marston, he's in a goal scoring position so a penalty isn't much of a deterrent.

Darby_ 7:26 Mon Oct 26
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Mods, can we have an 'Allardyce discussion' forum?

Marston Hammer 7:25 Mon Oct 26
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Hermit Road 7:21 Mon Oct 26
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Wouldn't 'not wanting to give a penalty away' be a good reason?

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